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For those of you who are unaware, this is Kurt. Kurt Divan.
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Post by Gator on Dec 6, 2013 22:17:49 GMT
So, uh... hi, I guess? Um... I'll talk about Chick Benetto. He's kind of pathetic. Seriously though, who can't kill them self? I mean, if you're driving drunk down the wrong side of the street, and you ram into a truck, and you can't kill yourself, then that's kind of pathetic. If, after surviving the car crash, you jump off of a water tower and you can't kill yourself, then that's kind of pathetic. All right! Thaaaaat's it. Yup. I'm done here.
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Post by Mrs. G. on Dec 9, 2013 18:46:29 GMT
Interesting observations.
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Gator
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For those of you who are unaware, this is Kurt. Kurt Divan.
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Post by Gator on Dec 10, 2013 22:32:43 GMT
Thanks. I actually put quite a bit of thought into it.
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Post by Brooke Murphy on Dec 11, 2013 3:39:21 GMT
I think one could agree with Kurt's opinion because it is a valid point that he supports with facts, however I have a different opinion on Chick Benetto. I don't believe Chick failing at his suicide attempt makes him a pathetic person at all, but that he survived for a good reason. Chick probably does not realize that his surviving of both suicide attempts is significant in that moment because of how he was so desperate to succeed with this task, but I believe this will definitely have a huge significance in the story because obviously it is not every day that someone could survive that. One prediction I have about the novel is that Chick will spend his "one more day" with his deceased mother who may possibly give him a new outlook on life.
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Post by LeeAnne Appio on Dec 11, 2013 21:12:05 GMT
To add to Chick Benetto, in my opinion he isn't pathetic. I mean I understand how it's weird that he failed to kill himself twice, but I don't think he's pathetic. I'm taking sort of a religious turn here, hope no one minds, but maybe God wanted to keep him alive so he could get to spend time with his mother, although it's almost impossible for her to appear to him when she's dead. God probably had another plan in store for him other than killing himself, and if his mother appearing to him to give him closure is going to be the first step to healing him and getting him re-involved in his daughters life, then I don't think that makes him pathetic. Plus that was the only way out he saw, his mother played a huge role in his life and she died, he felt guilty because he should have been there, he put most of his life savings toward a worthless stock fund, became a drunk and got fired from two sales jobs. He also slept badly, ate badly and eventually his wife and daughter left him. His life totally went downhill after his mothers death and he didn't see it getting any better, so I could understand why he tried killing himself. He survived suicide twice, so there obviously has to be a good reason, Chick is going to go through a life changing experience.
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Post by Stephanie Ambrosio on Dec 12, 2013 0:36:38 GMT
Adding to Kurt's first post, Kurt why do you think that Charley is pathetic for not being able to kill himself? I mean I find it extremely upsetting that one has attempted suicide twice and failed at it. It makes you really think about how horrible it must really feel to lose both your parents. I mean, his father didn't die but figuratively he still lost him because he is no longer in his life. I think that failing at suicide is a sign to show Charley that he is meant to be here and that he can turn his life around. Also, even though Charley's encounters with his mother are most likely all inside his head, I think he should be somewhat grateful that he can realistically feel what it's like to have his mother again. So far I am enjoying this story, but it is starting to make me really think about life and death and it sometimes even leaves me upset. However, I hope Charley will try to see the positives in his life, and maybe even start a family one day because he is lacking family, and family is everything.
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Post by Mrs. G. on Dec 12, 2013 12:38:03 GMT
Wonderful comments! Very insightful!
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Post by Josh Rosenbaum on Dec 12, 2013 20:35:22 GMT
Kurt, it really isn't pathetic - it's a blessing. And not to seem so blunt on this, but how would there be a story? I certainly agree that seeing his mother now for the very first time in years may make Chick realize how much he could make of himself and regain what he lost forget what led him to his nonexistent demise. Although he still sits in those thoughts of should've, would've, and could've, what Chick's seeing in front of him at the moment can let him get over his past and start rebuilding his life for the future.
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Post by Emma Spear on Dec 12, 2013 21:51:54 GMT
I can see how you think it's pathetic, but honestly if it didn't happen it wasn't meant to be. I think him failing at suicided twice was a way of telling him that he still needs to be on Earth that you have problems that you need to fix. I also think that him not killing himself is a way of giving him another chance with his daughter. I think that he and his daughter just need to start all over again and recreate there relationship. I think that this is a way of him trying to be a new person while he still can.
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Post by Lauren Muncey on Dec 12, 2013 22:56:42 GMT
I agree with Emma, Charley Benetto's suicide attempts were pathetic, but at the same time they weren't. Charley faced many hard ships in life; a broken family, alcohol problems, losing his job, leaving his family. All of these factors were giving him reasons to die, but what really pushed him over the edge was his daughter not allowing him to be invited to the wedding. Charley had nothing left to love, or and one to provide him with love, he was shut down from the world, and people would rather have him not involved in their lives. If you were in his shoes wouldn't you want to die too?
I think his failed Suicide attempts gave him a new out look on life. He started having flashbacks and was realizing that his mother truly loved him and he has more to live for. This gave him a new opportunity to live. I predict his future will become better after he stitches up his wounds and gets his life back on track.
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Post by Sara Helgans on Dec 12, 2013 22:59:15 GMT
Hi! This is Sara Helgans, responding to Kurt's post.
I agree that chick is pathetic, but I beleive that if you can't kill yourself you are not meant to die. So someone is probebly looking after him, his MOTHER. He stuck up for him all the time and it was evident that she truely loved him, and now that her gohst is appearing, his mother had probebly saved him to expirience her new and different presence.
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Post by Nick Waldron on Dec 13, 2013 0:32:19 GMT
I completely agree with what josh stated. Chick should be glad that he didn't die. It should be looked at as a sign that Chick has something to fulfill in life and shouldn't die until he does. Whatever saved him was probably his mom trying to show him that he has much more than he thinks. Behind the drinking, Chick has the potential to be a successful person. If Chick had the ability to put his mother's death behind him, he may not be where he is now. Nobody can blame Chick for not being able to get passed his mother's death. Chick is a sensitive person and that is his weakness.
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Post by Yordy Reyes on Dec 13, 2013 1:13:54 GMT
Responding to kurt's post, I would see why it would be pathetic because he cant even do that of commit suicide but on the other hand it could also be a blessing and a reason why he is not yet sucessful commited suiciede and that he stays for a reason.
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Post by Matthew Sullivan on Dec 13, 2013 1:27:13 GMT
In response to Kurt's i also agree with him, if the one thing you have left in life is the choice to kill yourself and still cannot accomplish it, its pretty sad. Not to say that Chick should die and that somebody isn't watching out for him but more thats it sad that he cannot control the one thing he has left his life.
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Post by EmilyMasse on Dec 13, 2013 2:24:29 GMT
Obviously Chick has a bigger reason for being here. Just because he has failed suicide twice doesn't man that he is pathetic. As sad as it may be, people fail suicide multiple time and does that mean they are pathetic? In my opinion no. I think they are brave for even thinking about killing themselves, and even braver for attempting. If someone is suicidal most of the time it means that they need help and no one wants to help them or that they have lost everything and don't see the reason to live. In Charley's defense, he has lost everything: his dad left at a young age, his mother died, his daughter wants nothing to do with him, and now he has hit rock bottom. Personally I don't blame Charley for wanting to end his own life, but there's a reason that he has failed.
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